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Visions of Jesus by Those Who Had Come to Love Him / Testimony of Josephus (Testimonium Flavianum) Is Authentic

Question:
Specifically, what evidence do we have, apart from the Gospels, that any of Jesus’ disciples actually had visions of Jesus after his death?

Dr. Bart D. Ehrman:
The short answer is that apart from the Gospels the only other good evidence we have are the book of Acts and the letters of Paul

Steefen (personal essayist), author of Insights on the Exodus, King David, and Jesus / The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy, 2nd Ed.:

He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, * * those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them * * spending a third day restored to life,  – First century historian, Joseph ben Matthias (Josephus) contemporary to James, brother of Jesus.

Note: The Testimonium Flavianum is authentic. Scholars who said it was not gave reasons. One reason was that it was out of context, unrelated to the passage following it. That simply is not true. The Testimonium Flavianum is followed by a passage of a god appearing to a woman and spending time with her – god made man and walking among us, a claim of Christianity. Furthermore, this god appeared to her on the third day. As we know, Josephus changed camps from Jewish rebel leader against Rome to supporting the Romans against the Jewish rebels. IN CHARACTER, Josephus tells us the God who appeared to the lovingly devout woman and spent time with her revealed that he was not god.

This is Josephus’ stance of atheism against his former religion which was warranted because after the Babylonian exile, after the Seleucids, after Rome wipes away the success of the Macabbees, after Rome takes away a Jewish king in Jerusalem, after the garments of the high priests have to be given to Romans, and after the handwriting on the wall that Rome was going to win the Jewish-Roman war, after Joseph ben Matthias (Josephus) gave his speech with tears in his eyes and speaking (while crying) to the rebels, explaining if they did not stop, we would lose the Temple to destruction, after all this and more, zealotry for the Jewish God was not amounting to anything but demise.

The TF is not just Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3, Section 3 but Sections 3 and 4! (This will appear in the 2nd ed of my book and will be on my website in a few weeks: http://www.waterbearingfish.com/SaulJosephus_ben_Matthias.html

The second reason the TF is authentic is because while Vespasian enriched Josephus for his support of the Romans, Vespasian also enriched another rabbi, Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai who headed the university of Yavne after the Jewish Revolt was put down. Rabbi Joseph ben Matthias and Rabbi Johanan proclaimed the Christian story. We know of the TF. As for Rabbi Johanan, he proclaims the impregnation of Mary by God, the Lion of Judah, and that God tried to save his people through her son.

Jesus Loses Points for the Exorcism at Gadara

This is what I read earlier today:

Joseph Atwill, the author of Caesar’s Messiah looked at the story of the man possessed by Legion.

The man was possessed by Legion in the city of Gadara.
Jesus got rid of the demons.
The demons took possession of pigs/swine.
The swine started running. They ran into water and drowned.

Jesus was not a great exorcist in this instance because this is a spiritual analogy of an history event. Here’s the history that actually happened.

By this time John was beginning to tyrannize. Now, some submitted to his tyranny out of fear and some out of goodwill. All of their reasons for militant action against Rome was now being reduced to one head, one leader, John.

John and his men were too small to be an army but too many to be just a gang of troublemakers. A legion (an ancient army term) is not an army and a legion has more members than just a gang of troublemakers. John and his followers are Legion.

Let’s say, Gadara was a community with some sense of peacefulness. They had their rich members in the community. Gadara wasn’t looking for trouble with Rome.

John comes to Gadara and he’s more militant than the Sicarii. He recruits men. Some recruits are made recruits by force. John is the possessor. John and his men are Legion.

Well, who is Jesus? Jesus is the Roman general who becomes Caesar, or emperor: Vespasian.

Vespasian comes to Gadara and sends John and his Sicarii running. They ran away from the power of Christ Vespasian. Many ran into the Jordan like the swine in the bible story. The Sicarii were deemed swine because Jews do not like swine (pork) and the Jews of Gadara didn’t appreciate John coming into the city causing trouble, recruiting their sons to their death. The only thing they got for going against the powerful Romans was a split-second of courage before getting stabbed through their guts or through their chest with a Roman sword or chopped in the face with a Roman sword or have their heads cut off at the neck by Roman sword or killed by Roman darts.

Dart
Main article: Plumbata

Late infantrymen often carried half a dozen lead-weighted throwing-darts called plumbatae (from plumbum = “lead”), with an effective range of c. 30 m, well beyond that of a javelin. The darts were carried clipped to the back of the shield.

So, the New Testament account is nothing more than a spiritual analogy of what actually happened at Gadara.

Jesus is not Jesus: Jesus is Rome, Jesus is Vespasian.

Letter to a Christian Nation and to the Christian World

Someone said: All it takes is your belief that he died on the cross for our sins.

Response: Don’t put too much stock in that.

The historical Jesus didn’t die for that reason. Jesus died because he staged a Palm Sunday event which he thought God would enhance into kicking off the Kingdom of God ruled by the Son of Man. There are indications in the New Testament that Jesus would be that Son of Man.

Caiaphas and other members of the Temple establishment saw this as a threat and idolatry.  In the Talmud (Babylonian Talmud) Jesus is charged with leading the country into idolatry. Jesus was a healer and people were being healed in his name. This is part of the idolatry. Why wasn’t it sufficient that healing be done by mentioning, uttering, saying “The Lord God is my healer” instead of saying in the name of Jesus.

When there is grumbling in the New Testament against Jesus, that opposition is significant.

Furthermore, Jesus complained about the Temple and his actions foreshadowed a Post-Temple Judaism. The Temple establishment won a short term victory by having Jesus eliminated but the Age of Pisces did not need a temple where people had to buy birds and lambs (Age of Aries) as sacrifices for sins.

Although Christopher Hitchens spoke greatly for personal responsibility, having no one bear the sins of others, it is possible that the end of the Age of Aries and the marker for the end of Temple Judaism did require the death of Jesus and the martyrdom of Stephen–and the death of James, brother of Jesus.

The Bart Ehrman Blog End of the Year Blog Reflection

Bart D. Ehrman: I do the blog not only because I want to disseminate knowledge about the New Testament, the historical Jesus, the history and literature of early Christianity…

Steefen: It goes without saying, you like the extended comments and Q&A with your lecture and debate audiences, video watchers, and book readers?

Second, I guess I’ll never forget what a teacher said about writing at NYU School of Continuing Ed more than two decades ago: Write to discover.

In an Edith Wharton book, Lilly Bart saw how she was in the laboratory where Seldon’s thoughts were being formed. House of Mirth is the book. At least one of the blog readers, me, is interested in how new concepts of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, the history and literature of early Christianity, and so on are formed. Really, is 90% of the work already done? In some fields, I’d say yes. For example, haven’t 90% of New Testament works been translated and made public? How much more do our thoughts about the Jewish God of Jesus need to change? Jesus left this Earth in 36 C.E. His successful legacy is his healing not heavenly salvation because the Kingdom of Heaven did not manifest greater than the Roman Empire. When Jesus went into the spiritual world, the Kingdom of Heaven did not dress him as the Son of Man for his return from either a Near Death Experience, a Lazarus Syndrome resurrection, or a buried alive incident. The Temple was destroyed. Bar Kokhbah failed as well.

Joseph (Latinized to Titus Flavius Josephus), Yohannan ben Zakkai and Hellenists resurrected Jesus to a Gentile Jesus Christ as opposed to a Hebrew Jesus Messiah harbinger to a spiritual Son of Man.

So, I now have a post-Hebrew-Jesus-Messiah mindset. Will I soon have a completely Post-Christian mindset?

What will fill an informed person’s astrological ninth house of religion?

The Ninth House The ninth house covers long journeys and religion (the longest journey of all). Here is what remains of the purification that takes place in the eighth house — the seed, or essence, of an entire cycle of experience. Religion comes from a Latin word that means to bind back, and thus refers to all things that last or endure, such as the truth. Essential ideas, philosophy, and all that is the very heart of things belong here. (http://www.astrology.com.tr/houses.asp)

What solar system object will fill an informed person’s house of religion or for another house, the 12th house of sacrifice for what is really important?

(Apparently, the Son of Man and Jesus’ concept of the Kingdom of God/Heaven is not really important since IT DID NOT DELIVER and has yet to deliver. How can you go from a crucified Jesus to a destroyed temple to the Inquisitions and have anything left for the historical Jesus and his apocalypse?)

I have read scholarly books and this blog to inform my thoughts about, no longer Noah’s God, no longer Moses’ God, and no longer Jesus’ God, now.

Wheh!

It is, as called in Vedic Astrology, the “planetary deity” of Neptune. The astrological principle of Neptune is Transcendent freedom; unification; freedom from ego-self. What’s beyond the material world(?): Quantum mechanics, the non-locality principle, the paranormal, and heavens yearned for and created.

We know something is beyond our Local God, the Sun Invincible with his planetary deity Cabinet Members because we know of other planets with Moons, we know other stars with planets, we know there are other galaxies, we have theorized mathematically other dimensions of existence (Brian Greene, Theoretical Physicist).

My thoughts about Neptune (God) is life on this Earth will not become heavenly, we can only have moments of escape and bliss. Neptune reports to the Sun. Totalitarian human will power cannot hold a heaven together here on Earth over long timespans and distances–let alone a thousand years (Jesus, I’m talking to you and your believers).

At some point, I’ll read your content plans for the 2014 blog. As you can tell, what will be important to me is what happened at Edessa, what happened at Yavne with Josephus and Johannan ben Zakkai giving testimony to a Christ and Messiah.

Although there now is much Post-Christianity world view, I still honor the principles of St. Michael and St. Jude. The former cares that souls not be ruined and the latter cares that we live through despair as best as possible. .

The Destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem

Mysticism is only as good as the Astrology upon which it is built.

For Jesus and Paul to overstate the transition of the Age of Aries to the Age of Pisces as they have in the New Testament is so misleading.

What I can say in support of Jesus and the Age of Pisces is that a Temple of animal blood spilling is SO Age of Aries. The destruction of that temple is a great marker for the end of the Age of Aries.

Yes, Christian, There Was an Apocalypse

QUESTION
If historical Jesus scholars believes that Jesus’ main message was the imminent apocalypse, and that didn’t happen, how can anyone who believe that remain a Christian, given that Jesus was wrong on the main focus of his life?

Blog Reader’s Response:

I’m a historical Jesus personal essayist whose work is entitled Insights on the Exodus, King David, and Jesus / The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy. The second edition may be completed in 2014 for publication.

Apocalypse simply means End-Time Scenario. Suffice it to say that an apocalypse did happen at Ground Zero Jerusalem. Who can seriously think this did not happen? Temple Judaism came to an end. Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome and renamed.

Did something better replace Temple Judaism? Jesus said something better would come after the apocalypse.

When humans commit sins against high aspirations of humanity, the killings of a pigeons, lambs, bulls are very indirect rectifications of the sin/s for which the killings were made. If a criminal commits the crime of stealing, how is sacrificing an animal more important than repenting (John the Baptist), asking forgiveness (Jesus’ Our Father Prayer) and returning to the victim the object that was stolen? He should not have been stealing in the first place (Ten Commandments – Moses).

Jesus was wrong?

How much guilt and sorrow has been laid at Humanity given the biblical story of Jesus which teaches it is an atrocity to convict the innocent. Plato’s Apology ranks second to Jesus’ trial in which the story ends with regret and sorrow over the death of the innocent. In Western Civilization, we are somewhat civilized by these teachings that society is not better off when the innocent and good person’s life is put to death.

The main focus of Jesus’ life was not the end time scenario of Jerusalem (its destruction after the Jewish Revolt).

Jesus’ Legacy Preserved by Hellenistic Jews

So, in addition to Homeric overtones in the Gospel of Mark, we have a Pythagorean sacred number in the Gospel of John. Jesus comes confronts Paul for Hellenistic Christian persecution–the martyr of Stephen. And Jesus tells Hebrew leaders: it’s in your law, not our law. Educated Hellenistic Jews would not only know the literature of Ancient Greece (Homer) but also the math of Pythagoras. The Gospels were written in Greek.

1. Jesus was a Hellenistic Jew

and/or

2. While the Gospel according to Matthew and perhaps the Gospel according to Luke make Jesus Jewish, the Gospels of Mark and John stamp Hellenism onto the Jesus story.

Christianity is not just an outgrowth of Egypto-Judaic influences but Egypto-Greco-Judaic influences.

In reference to the post to which I’m replying, I binged/googled “Pythagoras and 153 fish and found this: http://greatdreams.com/numbers/jerry/153.htm

Question: What Pythagorean concepts were recognized by the Therapeutae?